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XP Service Pack 3 Kills AMD Machines

2:40 PM - May 9, 2008 by Bestofmedia Team
Source: Tom's Hardware – Category : Miscellaneous
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Windows XP Service Pack 3 finally arrived to our computers this week… And is now killing AMD machines, according to Jesper Johansson, former program manager for security policy at Microsoft.

The problem relates to machines with SP3 installed rebooting and then not allowing users to get so much as Safe Mode. The problem is mainly affecting AMD users who bought their machines from HP. Johansson attributes the problem to the way that HP puts images of Windows onto its machines, using the same copy for both Intel and AMD boxes.

"Because the image for both Intel and AMD is the same all have the intelppm.sys driver installed and running. That driver provides power management on Intel-based computers. On an AMD-based computer, amdk8.sys provides the same functionality," says Johansson.

Some other OEM’s beside HP have the same practice, and presumably their users will be seeing the same issue.

There is another problem with SP3 that has not yet been tracked down to anything so specific that is causing random hangs and system crashes, though at least one can get into Windows itself (unlike the lucky AMD users.)

Windows service packs causing mayhem and havoc is not a new phenomenon – indeed, AMD machines got hit with a similar bug back in 2000 when any machine running over 350 MHz crashed and burned after a new service pack was released – and we may wait a few weeks for all of the kinks to get sorted out.


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carver_g 05/09/2008 9:14 AM
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Corrections to the story:

The bug back in 2000 had nothing to do with a service pack, and only affected machines with Windows 95. It didn't affect Windows 2000, Windows NT, or Windows 98 at all.

http://support.microsoft.com/kb/192841

Anonymous 05/09/2008 9:50 AM
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I just ran into this last night on an HP Media Center m7334n system I was working on. I restored the system to a factory-fresh install, installed SP3 right away, and got stuck in an infinite reboot. However, I was still able to boot into safe mode without any trouble. Once in safe mode, open regedit, browse to HKEY_LOCAL_MACHINE\SYSTEM\CurrentControlSet\Services\intelppm and change the "Start" value from 1 to 4. Reboot, and Windows should boot up normally. Also, you can do this step before you even start the SP3 install, and then the problem will never occur in the first place.

Anonymous 05/09/2008 10:42 AM
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I had the same crash issue after installing SP3 on a DELL AMD X2 laptop ... so not only HP gets that issue it's with AMD processors i guess.

I ended in an Reboot looping ... Safe mode not accessible at all. I had to resintall windows.

DiscoDuck 05/09/2008 10:49 AM
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My wife's homemade gigabyte-amd x2-4000 machine failed to boot a few days after the upgrade. Thankfully I could easily restore the image of right before, from my windows home server. It saved my bacon. Other 5 machines in the house dont seem to mind sp3.

sandmanwn 05/09/2008 10:59 AM
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been running it on several AMD machines for a few weeks. No problems whatsoever.

edwilson 05/10/2008 12:06 PM
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I have this installed on 2 AMD based machines that I built with zero issues. Machine 1 is a 2500 barton and an abit nforce2 mobo, machine 2 is an 6400+ A64 x2 Black Edition @3.6 ghz and a foxconn 590 sli.

I think it would be more responsible news reporting to title this an "OEM issue" rather than an "AMD issue". Clearly this is not an ALL AMD machine problem.

virtualban 05/10/2008 8:36 AM
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The article should not have been called "XP Service Pack 3 Kills AMD Machines" but instead "XP Service Pack 3 shows stupidity in HP images". What kind of freak puts a ghost image on a machine that is not perfectly identical to the original? And people go for the brand... If Intel had any influence in this, then AMD is right in suing.

Anonymous 05/10/2008 9:12 AM
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Although the most upsetting aspect surely has to be the fact that HP did not bother to test the SP before it was released to general public, there was release candidates out and all they had to do was install it on 2 machines... So ppl in the land of frivolous lawsuits, go get them :)

virtualban 05/10/2008 10:50 AM
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Oh, yes, yes, lawsuits, I forgot to mention them... I want my money back! (or give me some money, since I don't have an AMD HP neither at work or at home) :)

Brunnen-G 05/11/2008 3:29 AM
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Just updated to sp3, My system is AMD 4800+ Brisbane, Sapphire micro ATX with the AMD 690G chip set.. and ATI 1950XT, No problems, install was smooth and in fact my display seems sharper(!?)... Since these are "new" CPU and chip sets, perhaps the problem lies with older hardware versions... Hope this helps

Christopher1 05/11/2008 2:42 AM
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This is weird. You would think that Microsoft would have tested SP3 on almost all systems out there, including AMD machines, to make sure something like this would not happen.

pocketdrummer 05/11/2008 4:28 AM
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Great, I knew i should have waited to install it. I cannot afford to lose any data on this system. I have recordings of bands, and if those are lost, someone will pay for it dearly.

Anonymous 05/11/2008 7:02 AM
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XP service pack 3, won't let me get in to windows. I had the beta version for awhile, but then I installed a software update from Microsoft about 2 weeks ago. Ever sence the update, my pc has load slower and kept on showing a error message after windows completly loaded up. The error message would say PROCESS id=0x9e0(2528) Thread id =0x9e4(2532) debug or cancel. I would hit debug but it would say can not debug system at this time retry later. I could still use xpsp3 but i notice some lag in booting up. My pc would continue to pop up the error message every time i load up, but I can still use xpsp3. Until a few days ago, xpsp3 was usable but now I can't even get bass the boot screen. It loops over and over into booting screens. I can not even get into safe mode. My pc is a AMD Phenom 9850/ on a AM2 Gigabyte motherboard.

Anonymous 05/12/2008 7:32 AM
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Installed this SP on many machines and found problems with every one. Doesn't matter about age or gender. My opinion is that the manufacturers dropped the ball by not fully testing the beta or RTM version they received. Good thing it can be uninstalled, unless your one of the unlucky ones that can't boot anymore. Twin pillars again to microshaft.

Wild9 05/12/2008 9:00 AM
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Waits for the Intel fan-boys to start using this as an excuse to bash AMD instead of HP..

Anonymous 05/12/2008 11:39 AM
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Sounds like everyone should investin a Windows Home Server to ensure bad software doesn't permanently brick your PCs.

Wild9 05/12/2008 1:36 AM
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Fredly :
Sounds like everyone should investin a Windows Home Server to ensure bad software doesn't permanently brick your PCs.



..or what about just ghosting an image of your windows installation, onto some DVD media or a flash drive?

Anonymous 05/12/2008 10:38 AM
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I had the same problem. After first installing SP3, my computer rebooted like after usual installations. However when loading the profiles account window, it kept rebooting itself. So I reinstalled the backup disk and all worked ok. however, now my computer was set back to SP1. I did download the entire sP3 and then installed it, rather than go through windows update website to do so. I found out that downloading the SP3 yourself, and then installing it, works!

soldier37 05/14/2008 1:27 AM
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X2 6000+ here and running for a month now no issues.

Anonymous 05/15/2008 3:08 AM
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XP SP 3 corrupted my AMD system's NVIDIA interfaces. I have a self-built AMD 3000, Asus+NVIDIA motherboard. Worked great with no problems whatsoever. Loaded SP 3 and I couldn't get to the net via Mozilla or IE. System also kept trying to add a new "high definition audio" device which turned out to be one of my network cards.

Thankfully, my Windows restore point worked and I reverted back to the previous config. All is well now. Note to self: disable Windows updates. Personally I think they're messing with XP so that we get frustrated and go waste money on Vista...

Anonymous 05/16/2008 8:05 AM
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I i have a amd x 2 laptop, it crashed first time i wanted to install sp 3, the issue was the intelppm key in registry

After i checked this site i used the utility there and i could install sp3 with no issue.

http://msinfluentials.com/blogs/je [...] p-sp3.aspx



http://msinfluentials.com/blogs/je [...] p-sp3.aspx

bassman333 05/19/2008 11:49 AM
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Microsoft needs to rename Win XP SP3 to Windows XP Service Crash 3. Had same loop boot errors on several Dell Optiplex 745s with Intel Dual Pentium Processors using XP Pro non-OEM.

Anonymous 05/27/2008 11:48 AM
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Have a older amd cpu and i've having no trouble. In fact i've had a major performance boost.

CNN 07/25/2008 10:37 AM
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I have installed SP3 on my amd machine and when I get to the sign on screen (after it takes 40 mins. to boot to get there) there is no account boxes to pick and when I press cntl/alt/delete I get log in screen where it wants a user name and password, however I never installed a password. Is there a global sign in/password set up in windows that is a default if you never assign one?

Anonymous 07/31/2008 5:47 AM
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seems like as usuall microsfot has released a product that simply doesnt work to acceptable standards upon release. since driver cleaning my hdd and reformatting then fresh installing xp with sp3 my internet doesnt connect properly, itunes doesnt playback without stuttering, ie7 is usless. i have every new driver possible all for sp3.

macs never looked so tempting...

capitolellis 08/09/2008 6:30 AM
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I built my PC with an AMD X2 processor, AUS A8N32-SLI MB (socket 939) and have had nothing but problems with XP SP3. It went into the endless reboot mode and would not boot even when selecting "Last known config..." BUT, when I hit F8 during the boot, reseleted the drive to boot from (which is the same drive it's always been booting from), after getting to the same boot failure screen and THEN selecting "Last known config" it booted up just fine. It would not boot again unless I used the same process until I uninstalled SP3.

This machine is NOT an HP. The OS was installed directly from a MS XP SP2 OEM cd. No flashed HD's with Intel images here. So my experience is definately an AMD processor or proceesor/MB issue. Thank you!

Anonymous 08/19/2008 8:48 AM
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XP SP3 Corrupts Data Causes BSOD crashes and attacks HDD integrity. What software did they put in this to destroy files/folders/disks? MS is not to be trusted.

Graceful Degradation 08/30/2008 11:49 AM
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SP3 crashed my computer- but I'm running an Intel Pentium 4 processor 530 on a Gateway 820GM Media Center. As soon as I updated, installed SP3 and then rebooted my computer-it was all over. I made it just past the windows logo and there it was...the black screen of death. I tried everything to fix it and nothing got me past that windows logo. Right before the logo disappeared, my keyboard seemed to freeze up (or shut down?) so that even commands like "Ctrl+Alt+Delete" would have no effect. I did absolutely everything I could to try and fix this problem-and I could only hope I'd be able to recover all my personal files, (mainly all of my pictures)-I called Gateway support who then redirected me to call their "pay-by-the-minute" Gateway support number, which I did, I was able to use a friends computer to troubleshoot the issue online, and I even asked local computer repair professionals, including Geeksquad (among others) for advice, but nothing got me back to windows login screen. Any attempts to use safe mode went absolutely no where- system appeared to hang at mup.sys (but I don't believe mup.sys had anything to do with my actual problem). I even bought a new XP cd so I could get into the repair console, ran CHKDSK /R many times but to no avail. FFIXMBR, among other commands, proved to be completely useless also. Finally I had no other choice but to go out and buy a whole new hard drive, installed my new xp on it, then used my other 2 original drives as slaves enabling me to access my files I was sure were gone for good.
Luckily, I was able to recover all my photos (an immediately got a 1TB external to back them up on) but updating my computer to SP3 was the worst mistake. This whole ordeal has been a huge headache- & an expensive one to boot- and in the end, I still lost all of my applications and settings! (a friendly reminder for everyone to always back up!)
Needless to say- I wouldn't suggest putting SP3 on anyones computer, at least not yet anyway. I should have waited. Give it more time. Patience is a virtue.
Anyway, now I'm back to square one, with less than a handful of apps, without any of my personal settings, and still making adjustments. Suffice it to say, I will not update to SP3 any time soon. If anyone is thinking about upgrading to SP3, I highly recommend holding off for a while until Microsoft works out all the kinks. Better safe than sorry.

Question:
Anyone have any thoughts about this issue causing problems with a Pentium 4?

Anyone have any SP3 Gateway (820 GM) related issues?

Graceful Degradation 08/30/2008 11:50 AM
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SP3 crashed my computer- but I'm running an Intel Pentium 4 processor 530 on a Gateway 820GM Media Center. As soon as I updated, installed SP3 and then rebooted my computer-it was all over. I made it just past the windows logo and there it was...the black screen of death. I tried everything to fix it and nothing got me past that windows logo. Right before the logo disappeared, my keyboard seemed to freeze up (or shut down?) so that even commands like "Ctrl+Alt+Delete" would have no effect. I did absolutely everything I could to try and fix this problem-and I could only hope I'd be able to recover all my personal files, (mainly all of my pictures)-I called Gateway support who then redirected me to call their "pay-by-the-minute" Gateway support number, which I did, I was able to use a friends computer to troubleshoot the issue online, and I even asked local computer repair professionals, including Geeksquad (among others) for advice, but nothing got me back to windows login screen. Any attempts to use safe mode went absolutely no where- system appeared to hang at mup.sys (but I don't believe mup.sys had anything to do with my actual problem). I even bought a new XP cd so I could get into the repair console, ran CHKDSK /R many times but to no avail. FFIXMBR, among other commands, proved to be completely useless also. Finally I had no other choice but to go out and buy a whole new hard drive, installed my new xp on it, then used my other 2 original drives as slaves enabling me to access my files I was sure were gone for good.
Luckily, I was able to recover all my photos (an immediately got a 1TB external to back them up on) but updating my computer to SP3 was the worst mistake. This whole ordeal has been a huge headache- & an expensive one to boot- and in the end, I still lost all of my applications and settings! (a friendly reminder for everyone to always back up!)
Needless to say- I wouldn't suggest putting SP3 on anyones computer, at least not yet anyway. I should have waited. Give it more time. Patience is a virtue.
Anyway, now I'm back to square one, with less than a handful of apps, without any of my personal settings, and still making adjustments. Suffice it to say, I will not update to SP3 any time soon. If anyone is thinking about upgrading to SP3, I highly recommend holding off for a while until Microsoft works out all the kinks. Better safe than sorry.

Question:
Anyone have any thoughts about this issue causing problems with a Pentium 4?

Anyone have any SP3 Gateway (820 GM) related issues?

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