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The Worst Workspaces In Tech

Posted by ScuttleMonkey on Fri May 09, 2008 09:30 PM
from the best-and-the-worst-all-at-the-same-time dept.
nicholas.m.carlson writes help you feel better about your hovel. Vallywag recently compiled a list of the top ten places to work, but the resulting submissions and exploration also provided them with an interesting look at some of the worst places to work. "What makes them so bad? Some offend with exposed fluorescent lights, gray cubicles and a dystopian corporate sheen. But others, with their pseudo-hip graffiti, kindergarten toys and plastic decorations — all in a desperate attempt to seem 'Internet-y' — come off even worse."

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theodp writes "Looking to escape your Initech-like surroundings with your next job? Valleywag has culled its picks for Tech's Top 10 Workspaces from Office Snapshots, where you'll find plenty of other Best-Places-to-Work contenders. So how does your Cubicle measure up to the competition?" Pixar, Netflix, and other places. Makes the Slashdot Fortress look like a hovel even though we replaced the dirt floors last month.
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  • Not so bad. (Score:5, Insightful)

    by suso (153703) * on Friday May 09, @09:31PM (#23357570) Homepage Journal
    I think some of these people doing this review are a bit spoiled. They are used to their private cubicals, posh offices, etc.

    At least most of the people in these environments have new workstations, a monitor or two and some deskspace.

    The don't show the tech business running out of a cockroach infested hotel room with 10 year old computers using dial up to connect to the net.
    • Re: (Score:3, Insightful)

      Some of those places look pretty nice next to the cube farm I'm at (though I like working there, don't get me wrong). Low or little walls encourage collaboration, everyone has a laptop to tote around to work wherever (but what's with all the laptops at the Mozilla meeting? talk about getting nothing done), and though some of the wall "art" might get obnoxious, it can't be much worse than all the inspirational quotes that adorn my office.
        • Re: (Score:3, Informative)

          Walls are not that expensive to build and power outlets are not that difficult to install, unless you have a bunch of union Facilities guys at your company who work maybe 15 minutes a day and control everybody's aesthetics.

          It's not that walls are expensive to build. Have you ever priced cubicles? They're not cheap. What they give you is flexibility in redesigning the space at a later date.

          If you're leasing the space you may not be able to build it out. If you're the one leasing the space you may not want to have it built out in a way that makes it difficult for you to rent if the current tennant leaves.

    • I agree. I was looking at the pictures thinking, 'what? these are supposed to be bad?'. Sure cubicles aren't a nice private office, but that's just how most places are. I see a lot of attempts by employees to try and decorate them a bit to make it more friendly/fun. What's wrong with that?

      Compared to having just a desk in an open room (like in the one set of pictures), I'd much rather a cubicle to call my own and hangup/decorate as I like.
    • Re:Not so bad. (Score:4, Interesting)

      by mrbluze (1034940) on Friday May 09, @10:08PM (#23357774)

      I think some of these people doing this review are a bit spoiled. They are used to their private cubicals, posh offices, etc.
      Nothing beats home - you know you're on a winner when you sit down and say "I can't believe they are paying me money to do this!"
    • Are you kidding me?

      I don't think these people have ever seen bad workspaces. Adobe is "unfriendly"? They have lots of light, lots of space, good furniture, palm trees... oh yeah, they have a fsckin' basketball court. Piss poor facilities, obviously.

      Of all of the "bad" choices, only facebook's could possibly deserve to be on that list, as it looks like a high school cafeteria with monitors. Otherwise... I'd say the problem is that the tastes of the Valleywag people are ridiculous.
    • yeah, you're kinda right. I hate this one though http://valleywag.com/photogallery/Microsoftheadquarters/1001409837 [valleywag.com] I could get nothing done here, too much ability to see and talk, plus I'd never get to browse slashdot - I'd always feel like big brother was there. this one caught my eye too, diggin' the book layout below the monitor http://valleywag.com/photogallery/GoogleplexWorst/1001410045 [valleywag.com] of course that might just be a laptop with papers over the keyboard.
      • Re:Not so bad. (Score:5, Interesting)

        by Skreems (598317) on Saturday May 10, @01:06AM (#23358564)
        That picture of "Microsoft" is a demo lab at a conference. The article actually has 0 pictures of a typical work-space from that company. Makes me wonder how accurate their other ones are...
        • Re: (Score:3, Insightful)

          Valleywag are fundamentally ad-banner trolls who will blatantly lie to draw in hits. Well done Slashdot!
      • D[h]ell (Score:5, Informative)

        by Ex-MislTech (557759) on Friday May 09, @10:53PM (#23357978)
        In 2006 when I started at Dell we had one 15" tube monitor.

        We did not have cubes, we had this abomination called a pod.

        The pod walls are 18 inches higher than the surface of your desk.

        The person sitting across from you can be heard just as
        clearly on your phone as you can.

        Dell would not pay for noise canceling headsets.

        Dell uses a Compaq ie. HP mainframe to run their ticket system.

        Now that is some damn irony.

        It took me multiple weeks of begging to receive my very own
        company purchased pen and notepad.

        They monitor to "the second" how long you go to bathroom and
        it is part of your evaluations.

        Emails to customers are expected to be done between calls,
        or while waiting for reboots, or when there are no calls.

        You have to get permission to work overtime to get aforementioned
        emails done outside your 8 hr shift.

        Yet...they constant ask you to work overtime to take more calls.

        On overnight shift they ask you take "platinum calls" ie. MCSE
        required when you don't have even an MCSA.

        To be honest that is a contract violation.

        This is not for Desktop or Workstation Support, this is for
        Server Support.

        So for me D[h]ell will always be #1 worst place to work period.
        • Re:D[h]ell (Score:4, Interesting)

          by techno-vampire (666512) on Saturday May 10, @12:00AM (#23358322) Homepage
          They monitor to "the second" how long you go to bathroom and it is part of your evaluations.


          I'd like to see what happens the first time they try that on somebody with either kidney or bladder problems.

          • Re:D[h]ell (Score:5, Interesting)

            by GoodNicksAreTaken (1140859) on Saturday May 10, @12:15AM (#23358382)
            When I worked Bresnan Communications they did just that to a woman I worked with and came up with a new policy that all bathroom usage must be done on breaks and we would be monitored to be sure we were not taking time outside of them for breaks. I refused to sign the policy. They kept bringing it to me. They told me I'd be fired if I didn't sign it. I asked why they needed me to sign it as I would be held to it as a condition of my employment. They simply told me have it signed by the end of the day and then came back and had a supervisor stand over me while I signed it. I signed it and put "signed under duress" below my signature.

            I worked to try and organize with the Communications Workers of America. That idea fell through when someone was told that I didn't trust at all. I finally ended up giving the company the finger and moved a good portion of the way across the country. After leaving they found a copy of the source code of some SNMP network management software I had written. I wrote it on my own time to assist the staff as they wouldn't pay Motorola and Arris for the tools we needed to do our job. They changed the graphics to their logos and renamed it Bresnan something or other. After hitting the coast I ended up finding a job working as a systems analyst for a labor union [other than CWA] and am part of a staff union that is represented by CWA. Being union represented isn't perfect. But it really beats having to deal with things like the BS that went on at Bresnan Communications.
          • Re: (Score:3, Insightful)

            That is not irony. And anyway, they do develop software for macs, so you would hope they have a few macs around the place. It is not like they make their own laptops. Now, if you found loads of macs at Dell headquarters, that would be something to sing about.
  • by VGPowerlord (621254) on Friday May 09, @09:33PM (#23357580) Homepage
    Aperture Science. Despite the nice, clean looking test chambers, the rest of the facility is quite a dump.

    There's also an AI who flooded the place with a deadly neurotoxin...
  • Interesting. (Score:5, Insightful)

    by Slashdot Suxxors (1207082) on Friday May 09, @09:34PM (#23357592)
    The List: -Yahoo
    -Mozilla
    -Mahalo
    -Google
    -Microsoft
    -LinkedIn
    -Jajah
    -Facebook
    -DoubleClick
    -Adobe

    I find it funny how they say Google is one of the worst places to work, yet everyone seems to want to work there.
    • Re: (Score:3, Interesting)

      -LinkedIn
      I find their criticism of linkedin to be rather odd. Their description, in full: "LinkedIn's offices are just like LinkedIn.com: utilitarian and utterly boring."

      Okay, I'll give a pass to the second half: "utterly boring" is an opinion... but how is utilitarian a valid criticism of a work area? Do they know what the word actually means? Would anyone really be happy working somewhere that wasn't utilitarian? How would you get any work done?

  • Where is the TPS report driven office with a lot bosses?
  • by Anonymous Coward on Friday May 09, @09:37PM (#23357608)
    We're number one! We're number one!

    Oh wait, wrong list.
  • Neatorama [neatorama.com] shares Office Snapshots [officesnapshots.com] Web site that has a collection of interior office photographs of various popular/well known companies. It is generally from Web/Tech companies.
  • by Alien Being (18488) on Friday May 09, @09:42PM (#23357630)
    As a college dropout (A's in CS, fsck philosophy), it was tough getting my foot in the door. One mistake I made along the way was letting a risk-taker scare me off with stories of sometimes having to work in boiler room type surroundings.

    If it's good work, the atmosphere becomes almost invisible. Some of the best companies in history started in a garage and some of the worst started atop skyscrapers.
  • by linumax (910946) on Friday May 09, @09:48PM (#23357666)
    I noticed some of the pictures seem very very random.

    From the comments:

    I have worked at Microsoft in Redmond for the last 7 years. Of the Microsoft photos, only one of them looks like an actual Microsoft workspace in Redmond; the one in which there are several people crowded around what looks like a coffee table. And even that one is not a typical office or conference room. It looks like a makeshift conference room. At least two of the photos are of the Orlando, FL convention center where Microsoft has an annual event. In reality none of the photos are typical of Redmond, where most employees have single-occupancy private offices.
    • I was an intern at Microsoft back in the last millenia and had my own private office half the summer, with a door and a 24" monitor. The other half of the summer I shared that office with another employee.

      I've been to the Redmond campus a half dozen times since then, and the place is still one of the most appealing work environments I've ever seen.
      • by Dutch Gun (899105) on Friday May 09, @11:47PM (#23358246)
        I have to agree, I've worked at Microsoft twice as a temp programmer. The first time I had a private office, the next I shared an office. Bad place to work? Hardly. And what's really hilarious is those photos are of the Washington State Convention Center, not of the Microsoft campus. BTW, the convention center is really nice too. To hold *conventions* in, that is.

        And I can't believe Google was listed because of a "kindergarden" design motif. Holy crap, who gives a flying f***? Smells like a quick throw-together article, with listings designed to draw ire (and thus page hits).

        Sorry, when you can't even get basic facts correct, I can't believe much else you say or show either.
    • by sheldon (2322) on Friday May 09, @10:54PM (#23357990)
      Agreed. The one picture with the rows and rows of computers appears to be the Hands-on lab at TechEd.

      I'm not impressed with either of these articles. My preferred environment is someplace clean and uncluttered. Yet valleywag called the offices with gimmicks the best, and the nice clean offices the worst?

      I wish I had a picture of the "office" I and six other consultants were put in years ago. It was the former mainframe tape storage closet. No windows. Six feet wide, with a table along the wall. When the guy at the end wanted to go to the bathroom, everybody had to get up and let him through.
  • I hope all of those Mozilla developers shower.
  • Grey cubicles at Google, seriously?

    I had a boss who worked for a company that referred to the owner of the company as "Lord Vader" because she was utterly insane. It had a turnover rate that was prettymuch total on a yearly basis.

    I had to work once a week for a while in a warehouse in a metal chair with no one else around and an ancient piece of computer technology.

    There is at least one game company that seems to have a vested interest in driving its employees into the ground and treating them like children.

    I know another place that had computer technology that was so out of date it could barely run the software we were developing.

    I am not sure if any of these constitute the "worst" places to work, or even how they rate to the companies listed in the article, but surely there are worse things out there than the horror of grey cubicles.
    • Re: (Score:2, Insightful)

      I know another place that had computer technology that was so out of date it could barely run the software we were developing.
      I bet that really cut down on bloat, though.
  • When do we get to see "10 Worst Slideshows on the Internet?" Those Flash TiVo ads made me dizzy.
  • Best = Worst (Score:4, Insightful)

    by Colonel Korn (1258968) on Friday May 09, @10:19PM (#23357828)
    I think the ten best story posted a couple days ago shows work spaces that are pretty much interchangeable with those shown in this one. I'll repeat what I said then: a private office is better than any workspace listed, now in either list.
  • What no Amazon? (Score:5, Interesting)

    by Tomy (34647) on Friday May 09, @10:27PM (#23357854) Homepage
    When I worked there they found that if they shrunk our cubes by a couple of feet they could get X more programmers in the building.

    Nothing like having your restricted little world reduced by two feet. I even had to give up my red stapler.

    • Re:What no Amazon? (Score:4, Interesting)

      by Sanat (702) on Friday May 09, @10:59PM (#23358018)
      While an engineer at McDonnell Douglas each pay grade had a certain size office. If you get promoted then you might get the bigger credenza, a thicker rug, the walls might be moved out two feet, a bigger desk... that was to keep harmony with the jealous types of somebody's office being bigger/better than another person's. All based on pay grade.

      Several maintenance men were paid full time to keep this stupidity going.
      • Re: (Score:3, Insightful)

        Somehow that reminds me of the scene from Brazil where they are pulling on the shared desk through the wall.

        Ultimately, corporations reduce us all to idiots.

  • None of those places are that bad. I've worked in plenty of worse/less conducive to getting shit done places than any of those. Hell, even the Mozilla folks look like they've got actual desks as opposed to, say, folding tables and chairs. And I've seen way dingier, more depressing cube farms than anything in that list.
  • These are the worst workplaces? Maybe in California. I've worked in much worse. My current employer (whose CEO is among the top ten best-compensated in the US) has me working in a building in which every time it rains, the roof runs. (Not leaks, the water runs down in streams.) They keep trying to find bigger buckets.

    We do have our own cubicles--made of what appears to be moldy cardboard—and they match the carpet exactly. We have nothing like a kitchenette or breakroom. If you want coffee, you have to go get water in the restrooms. Of course, the sinks are always overflowing because some stupid jerk empties the remainder of his breakfast mush, ramen, smelly fish stew, or whatever into them every day.

    The lighting is typical 1950s era: harsh overhead fluorescents that would quickly blind you if you tried to work with a monitor under them. So we ask to have them turned off. They are glad to do this, because it saves on electricity bills. The drawback is that this leaves our environment utterly troglodytic ; the advantage is that we can't see our environment).

    It could be worse, of course—I could have been working in the building that sank. No, it didn't sink completely—it's just sort of The Leaning Tower of Dallas. (Actually, it's in Irving, but who's heard of Irving?) The good thing is that they managed to get most of the people out (a triumph of organizational genius, considering that the sinking occurred in a mere decade), the bad news is they moved them in with us. Our warren of cubical cells is now so overcrowded that collision is a serious factor in deciding whether or not to go to the bathroom to make coffee.

    • Re: (Score:3, Insightful)

      One wonders why you would still work in a place like that?
      • Re: (Score:3, Informative)

        One wonders why you would still work in a place like that?

        Because there are factors to consider other than my physical environment—such as the need to keep a paycheck coming in, and the difficulty of getting any other job at age 60. My immediate goal is to make it through July, which will be my 5 year anniversary, thus making me vested in their retirement fund. That means I get to take the accumulated pittance with me when they lay me off (I'm sure I'm marked for execution at the next possible oppor

  • For a summer I worked at Johns Manville in New Jersey. Yeah - the place that was sued into bankruptcy by its own workforce for being such a toxic shithole.

    I worked in building D. D for DEATH. I had to unload a van filled with paper from banks. I'd get the truck weighed at the front gate, net to the sign that said "PHOTOGRAPHY IS STRICTLY FORBIDDEN". Geee. I wonder why...

    Once it was weighed, I'd drive it to building D, and back it up the ramp into the building itself. The building consisted of several ENORMOUS rooms, each one at least 50 ft wide and 30 ft tall. In the room I ws in was an enormous machine that looked like a cross between a cauldron designed by Rube Goldberg and a funnel designed by NASA. On the side of this thing was a hopper. I would dump paper out the back of the truck into the 6 inches of standing filthy water that filled the floor of the place. Often I could see the V shaped ripples of rats swimming through the smelly brown miasmic watery goo.

    Against one wall was a stack of paper that went all the way to the roof, which had gaping holes in it. It was summer, and there was no air conditioning, and wearing a mask was very uncomfortable. But wear one I did, for as I looked down the hallway to the other end of building D, the air was thick with the blue haze of asbestos.

    I would stand on the paper bales, and toss more paper into the hopper. Once it was full I'd signal the guy who operated it, Mike, and he would press a red button, and I would press a red button, and the hopper would lurch up the side of the vat, and dump the contents into the steaming smelling chemical bath of crap.

    Out of the bottom of the vat was a pipe about 14 inches wide. A steady stream of really foul smelling waxy black ooze would slowly extrude from the pipe. Mike would hack at it with a Machete and it would plop into his wheel barrow. H would then wheel it down the hall to a drop point, where there was a 55 gal drum, and he would dump the stinking vile glop into the drum. Once the drum was full of the black gelatinous offal, he would cap it, crimp it, and seal it, where it would then be "take somewhere", likely some landfill near Newark or Edison or Sayreville.

    Some of the people who worked there were practically feral. I remember one fat black guy who drove this miniature bulldozer around at a high rate of speed, splashing the filthy stanky water all over the place. He didn't care wher eit went.

    My guess is that all those people who worked on site all day in building D are now dead. And that's industrial capitalism for ya. OF course, now we ship that kind of work to China or Indonesia, so we can't see it, so it's OK....

    That was the worst place I ever worked.

    RS

  • Utilitarian is bad? (Score:3, Interesting)

    by statemachine (840641) on Friday May 09, @10:59PM (#23358016)
    Since when is utilitarian a bad thing? I think the lists should be swapped. I can't work with a laptop and papers on couch in bright sun with other people sharing that same space and jabbering on and on with no barriers to sound.

    If you don't like a gray cube wall, put something on it! And why are desks and privacy walls the enemy?

    Maybe if you're in sales, you'll like the open architectures and bright colors, but all I want is to have the equipment I need to do my job properly.
  • by Animats (122034) on Friday May 09, @11:06PM (#23358048) Homepage

    Intel is famous for their workspaces. They pioneered cubicles in the early 1970s. They have some of the world's biggest single-room cube farms. They actually built new buildings, from the ground up, with 1-acre rooms of tiny grey cubicles. Vast amounts of money were spent to create this Dilbertland. The cubicles are so tiny that two people cannot physically sit in one and talk; one has to sit out on the aisle and block traffic. They look like library carrels. This isn't a call center; it's where their engineers work.

    Klutz Press has a "fun workspace" - the partitions are made out of corrugated sheet metal. The building (a warehouse) is made of corrugated sheet metal. Lots of toys in the reception area.

    Softimage LA went through a period where everything, including partitions, was curved and on wheels. You could fold up the cubicle of someone who was out and push it to the side.

    Sony Pictures Imageworks, an animation shop, is a typical cube farm surrounded by offices. Except for the art department, which has a big open space with drawing boards.

    Silicon Valley law firms tend to have rocks. Big rocks. Polished stone surfaces. Rock gardens. And, for some reason, glass-enclosed conference rooms. Traditional law firms used to go in heavily for wood paneling, but the "high tech" law firms wanted a more modern look. The overall effect is upscale mall, but whatever.

  • Really ? (Score:3, Insightful)

    by MarkKnopfler (472229) on Saturday May 10, @12:16AM (#23358390)
    Really ? That is how we have decided that the mentioned work places are the worst to work in ? A few random photographs of the workplaces ? This must be one of the worst excuses for a 10 list that I have seen.
    The workplace/cube is certainly one of the ways to measure the top-ness (sic) of a workplace but just that ? Come on people, we all know that there are a lot of things which into making a great workplace. The dimensions and colour of your cubicle is probably just one of them.
  • by GodfatherofSoul (174979) on Saturday May 10, @12:26AM (#23358426)
    The hot chick on the phone automatically eliminates it from the list.
  • by ayjay29 (144994) on Saturday May 10, @10:44AM (#23360832)
    I smell a rat here...

    This [valleywag.com] photo is actually the loby of the Washington State Convention & Trade Center [wsctc.com]. Most of the other "Microsoft headquaters" photos look to be taken there as well.

    • Re: (Score:3, Interesting)

      Some open plan offices have sound dampening systems; loudspeakers that play white noise at a low level. You couldn't hear them, but you couldn't hear the person three desks away either.

      I once stayed in a Howard Johnson's Motor Lodge in Pittsburg that had piped-in noise. At each corridor intersection or bend, there was a speaker. But it wasn't white noise. It was machinery noise - a faint background of whirr, chunka chunka, hiss, whirr, clank. At first I thought someone had just left a microphone ope